There are reports on Twitter that Matt Painter has signed a seven-year, $14-million contract with Missouri.
We can very safely report that that is not true.
Gene Keady said tonight, rather convincingly, that Painter will not even meet with Missouri until tomorrow morning. That meeting will take place in Florida and you'd have to think the job will be offered at that time.
Here's what's been going on in the meantime, best we can tell.
Painter is a very analytical, pragmatic guy. After he took the Purdue job, he said that if Bruce Weber had told him what a mess things were in recruiting at Purdue at the time, he wouldn't have taken the job. Weber said he didn't tell him because he knew he wouldn't take the job. Both were only half-joking.
That says to me Painter's taking a comb to the Mizzou program as it stands now and the recruiting landscape in the state to gauge how successful he can be right away, both on the court and in recruiting.
It is not done yet.
But it might be close enough to being that people are just going to take potshots in calling it, or taking bits and pieces from Twitter and building a Frankenstein out of it.
Something does need to happen soon, however.
Sources at Missouri have said that if this isn't done by midweek, that bodes well for Purdue.
I'm not so sure.
The longer this goes, the longer the risk is run that trust is breached among upset players and anxious recruits.
When is the point of no return?
This post was edited on 3/28 10:24 PM by Brian_GoldandBlack.com
Posted on 3/28 9:34 PM | IP: Logged
Please explain.
This post was edited on 3/28 10:06 PM by BoilerBob-Chicago
Posted on 3/28 9:38 PM | IP: Logged
I don't even see any way back at his point.....
How do we proceed positively without burke opening the checkbook. Either for matt or stevens?
Posted on 3/28 9:39 PM | IP: Logged
we're already there Brian. At this juncture I can't see any lasting, meaningful work relationship between Painter and Burke should Painter decide to stay. His only hope would be to have MB retire soon and out of the way. If MP gets more of what he needs, Burke gets trumped. If MP leaves, Burke had better make a helluva hire but that's not likely given the message Painter will send to the coaching fraternity about the challenges in our program. This is a crossroads we are at.
Back to the point about recruiting, is any one surprise by that remark? Did Bruce not indict himself too? C'mon, who thought our recruiting was on the uptick at that point? I suppose there's lot to that statement outside the obvious.
As I've always said, A players hire other A players, B players hire C players. Let's see where Burke nets out.
Posted on 3/28 9:41 PM | IP: Logged
There is no "point of no return". If there was then Izzo went well past it last year and still came back
It refers to Purdue eight years ago. Purdue had used up a most of its recruiting days chasing guys (Jon Brockman in Washington, for one) there was no way it was gonna get. New staff had only so many days to go out.
This post was edited on 3/28 9:53 PM by Brian_GoldandBlack.com
Posted on 3/28 9:52 PM | IP: Logged
You follow the crowd. Every one knows what happens next. People are telling the stories of previous crucifixions, discussing this in a clinical way. Your friend has left your side. You are again alone, though surrounded by people.
So, you wait and watch, along with the throng. Unable to talk to anyone, the emotions and thoughts stir wildly. What is happening here? He was supposed to be the great teacher, the one we were expecting, who would save us. Maybe he still will. Maybe he will break his bonds. You are ready for anything. If only he would say the word.
His acceptance is what breaks your heart. He just stood there! He just stood there, not answering, not defending himself. Why? For you, he said, for all the people. "What I do, I do for you," he said. How does this help you? How does it help anyone?
You didn't know it would mean this. You didn't want it to mean this. Why did it have to mean this?
He walks out, his clothes in surprisingly good shape, his eyes still strong. There is no shame in him........
Dramatic yes.....possibly the only way we fix the AD...maybe in the end..MP is sacrificing his dream job to fix the program he loves. Honestly, I would rather see it fixed than watch MP struggle for the next 10 years to break through the artificial barriers that have been placed in his way.
Posted on 3/28 9:54 PM | IP: Logged
If you're serious about the recruiting stuff, then that bodes well for Purdue. Every Mizzou fan, alum, or media outlet has talked about how the past two coaches have basically ignored and/or burned down bridges in local markets like KC or StL. I have no knowledge obviously as I don't follow Missouri, but if their own fans say that then I would think it is somewhat true. They are all talking about how MAYBE Painter could rebuild the pipeline to St. Louis that has gone away. So again, that could help when he considers all the aspects of the Missouri job.
Posted on 3/28 9:55 PM | IP: Logged
Brian, Please don't add to the crazy speculation....it does nothing good for this board or our mental state.
My two cents...I think Burke must go after this....
It should never have gotten to this point,...Burke is responsible for getting what his coaches feel they need to win Championships, graduate student athletes and run clean programs that compete in the Big Ten and on a National scale.
No way around it...Burke let things simmer to the extent they blew up...you can't ignore a foster blister...you have to pop it, or fix it.
Either way Burke leaves soon....this summer, if he can salvage Painter or if Painter leaves. If that happens, he brings on a new coach and gets the hell out of town.
Leadership failed this one...
Posted on 3/28 9:58 PM | IP: Logged
Brian-
Is there ANYTHING coming from Purdue/about Purdue? I know there's no official statements/interviews/etc. but is there anyone in the media with sources from Purdue? Is Purdue doing ANYTHING? Painter's camp has leaked out stuff about Mizzou doing stuff, but absolutely nothing about Purdue doing anything.
I wanna know what Purdue's doing - everything is Mizzou related.
Posted on 3/28 9:59 PM | IP: Logged
delete.
This post was edited on 3/28 10:11 PM by PurdueFan1
Posted on 3/28 10:00 PM | IP: Logged
even if MP ends up sticking with Purdue, this is bad....
Posted on 3/28 10:00 PM | IP: Logged
about as well as our team will do next season.
Posted on 3/28 10:01 PM | IP: Logged
This is not Matt's dream job.
Posted on 3/28 10:01 PM | IP: Logged
Jesus...now I've seen it all.
Posted on 3/28 10:03 PM | IP: Logged
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This post was edited on 3/28 10:11 PM by PurdueFan1
Posted on 3/28 10:03 PM | IP: Logged
> Leadership failed this one...
The more I think about it, the more I agree... but I'm starting to believe that the buck stops w/ the University President. She should know how important the Men's BB and football teams are to a major Division I school, and it doesn't seem like she's interceded enough to make a difference.
At other big time schools the President is VERY aware of what happens with their BB and football programs, and a situation like this would rest on his/her shoulders as well.
Posted on 3/28 10:05 PM | IP: Logged
Brian,
What is your email, the link doesn't work on mine, as I use yahoo, and clearly havent set that up correctly.
Thanks!
Posted on 3/28 10:07 PM | IP: Logged
1) Weber's comments on recruiting - Of course things were a mess, Keady was working on an expiring contract...and coached all the way to the end. I think Painter was fully aware the talent level was awful when he arrived. But any coach was going to get a honeymoon. Luckily Painter performed so well he only needed one year honeymoon.....but he still would've been supported as long as each year was getting better. Lavin was definitely interested in job, I think Stallings would've taken it as well (albeit a year later without the transition/coach in waiting plan.
2) End of no return - Depends, if he were to return with no buyout clause after "the Missouri dance" I think it would negatively impact future recruiting. If there was a big enough buyout clause...that would refute any negative recruiting.
Posted on 3/28 10:07 PM | IP: Logged
Purdue's SILENCE is deafening..... Typical Morgan Burke....
Posted on 3/28 10:08 PM | IP: Logged
Keady says Morgan is working "like heck" to keep Painter.
Would you rather he be conducting an online chat session on knuck central?
Posted on 3/28 10:16 PM | IP: Logged
If Painter were to come back with a zero buyout clause, I certainly won't trust that he'll stick around. If we give him a significant raise we need to counter that with a significant buyout clause so we don't go through this for every Tom Dick and Harry University that wants to bid us up for him.
Posted on 3/28 10:17 PM | IP: Logged
That's the FIRST we have heard about anything Purdue is doing, I don't blame someone for saying that.
You would think between the few media outlets that do cover Purdue, one of them would have some sort of insight on what's going on there. Haven't heard anything since Keady said that. And that's a pretty generic statement.
Posted on 3/28 10:19 PM | IP: Logged
Even when Keady flirted with other schools, his heart was in West Lafayette. Heck even now in NYC or when he was working the B10 Network, his heart is with Purdue. Gene's a Purdue guy through and through. Matt? Ask me in a week.
Posted on 3/28 10:19 PM | IP: Logged
If Purdue would step up and give some of the things that Coach feels he needs to be successful.
Posted on 3/28 10:21 PM | IP: Logged
You can't play this out in the media!
Posted on 3/28 10:22 PM | IP: Logged
Anyone remember that Izzo did this same thing last year with Michigan State? Not good comparison with Painter right now and what MSU did this year, but my point is people don't remember it without a reminder.
I have faith that if he stays you are going to have a more committed and better basketball program.
Posted on 3/28 10:23 PM | IP: Logged
I think we all need to take the "point of return talk" with a grain of salt . We need to realize that although most of us are obsessivly following each lead and going on an emotional roller coaster (I know I am). The people involved in the process (i.e., Painter and Burke) actually know what is happening. As far as we know, Painter told Burke he is going to take a look at the Mizzou opening, and Burke is waiting to see what Mizzou proposes, so he can counter offer.
Posted on 3/28 10:23 PM | IP: Logged
Os,
Exactly, if we get out of this fiasco with Painter, the basketball program will be in much better shape.
Posted on 3/28 10:26 PM | IP: Logged
Using the glass is half full approach this hour. Next hour will be doom and gloom don't worry.
Posted on 3/28 10:31 PM | IP: Logged
As others have said, the recruiting mess was years ago following the Keady end of contract. Plus, Indiana as a state didn't have a ton of high level division 1 players like we are seeing in the next few classes.
As to Keady, I knew many more people then than I do today and his wife was the one who really didn't want to go to ASU. His buddy Lute was at Arizona and Gene loved to play golf. But Pat cautioned him about being a big fish in a small pond versus being a small fish in a big pond. Phoenix is certainly much different from Columbia Missouri, but Pat, as much as Gene, made that decision.
Posted on 3/28 10:38 PM | IP: Logged
It has been posted on here that a couple assistants were looking to leave to make more money somewhere else. Have you heard anything about this? Is this one of Painters biggest concerns going forward at Purdue?
Posted on 3/28 10:40 PM | IP: Logged
No one from Purdue is saying anything. They've been given opportunities. Painter has not replied to me.
Posted on 3/28 10:43 PM | IP: Logged
So Painter starting in 2012 has what appear to be top 5-10 type recruiting classes. He is getting guys off his early offer A list.
It has taken time to rebuild things to that-why go through it all again in Missouri? Missouri is not NC, Duke, Kansas, Kentucky-where the top guys automatically consider you. They are not even an IU where the top guys consider you because you are the state school. Most Missouri guys leave.
Posted on 3/28 10:43 PM | IP: Logged
I'm new here, but this news/no news of Matt Painter leaving was depressing enough to make me sign up and pay for the site lol. That said, my support for Purdue Athletics may take a hit for the first time in my life. This is absolute BS what the University and/or Painter is doing or not doing. If Painter walks, Burke needs fired on the spot. Oh and we can hire Gene Keady as our new AD!
Posted on 3/28 10:49 PM | IP: Logged
If Mike Anderson didn't want to be there why the hell would MP? The Arkansas position in my opinion is a definite step back from the Mizzou position. I hate to say this but emotional attachment looks to not be a factor in all of this, just dollars.
Posted on 3/28 10:52 PM | IP: Logged
Look at the week before the tourney. Smith suffered a concussion Sunday. He missed practice on Monday. He failed a concussion test Tuesday. He was more at practice than practiced on Wednesday. This was all verified by Smith's dad through Washburn.
It was being reported in Vegas and Chicago-Sun Times that Smith was out with a concussion. It was reported(although it was real accurate) that Smith had a concussion and was doubtful here and OGFP.
Purdue and GBI said nothing. GBI even said it was non news on Wednesday after the failed test. Sorry, bu a starting guard having a concussion a few days before your NCAA tipoff is news.
Look, it is just the way they are. They(GBI and Purdue) could know that this Painter situation is already decided and would just stay quiet. This is just normal operation for them.
This post was edited on 3/28 10:57 PM by Purdue97
Posted on 3/28 10:54 PM | IP: Logged
If the status of recruiting is an important piece of the offer all you have to do is go to Mizzou's Rival sight and see that they have zero, nil, nada, zilch recruits signed for their next two classes (2011 and 2012). I wonder if Matt wants to start all over again?
Posted on 3/28 10:54 PM | IP: Logged
I got a call from a friend who is a pretty big donor from the Keady era. I also read Norm's post today that said he is not sure if he could do much better than Burke.
Putting the two together, I think if Painter leaves it will be Burke that gets fried, but really, it sounds like this is more than him.
Posted on 3/28 11:03 PM | IP: Logged
If this is really about winning championships-Does Painter want to rebuild that pipeline? There is always the chance it does not get repaired. Also, sounds like it could be 2013 before he gets a recruiting class in there.
Posted on 3/28 11:06 PM | IP: Logged
I understand that no one is talking to anyone on the record. But no one has "sources". I mean we've been reading about "people around Matt Painter" saying stuff about Mizzou all week. No one around Matt Painter is saying anything about Purdue? Just Mizzou?
I understand what Burke may or may not be doing could involve very few people and it wouldn't come from there, but I'd imagine something would come out on one of the 2 ends considering how much has come out already (Yes, some of it being Mizzou sources, but some of it being Painter's camp too).
Posted on 3/28 11:07 PM | IP: Logged
I really doubt painter does not give Burke or Purdue a chance to counter-no matter how good the MIssouri deal is.
Seriously, if he is willing to listen to Missouri, why would he not listen to Purdue again? Unless I hear MattP is on the open market and has resigned at Purdue this undoubtedly happens.
Posted on 3/28 11:17 PM | IP: Logged
Nobody has any 2012 recruits signed. Who knows whether some of Matt's 2012 verbals might decide to go to Mizzou if Matt goes there?
I hope that he stays, but I don't think that Matt is going to make the decision on the status of recruiting at the present. He will have a longer term view than that.
Posted on 3/28 11:23 PM | IP: Logged
-Purdue is typically quiet. Just the way they are.
-As for all the Missouri talk, at least Painter's agent is loving it. He has a sweet deal coming in from Missouri. The perception is that Purdue is really backed up against the wall and needs to come up with a lot more money and resources, which in theory will make their(Purdue) counter offer better.
In reality, Purdue has a counter offer to give and Burke knows how far he can go. It is already drawn up. Unless there was some late success today(past 2pm ET) in raising some more money from donors or something reworked with funding for the AD, Painter will either take that lesser amount or go to Missouri.
Posted on 3/28 11:25 PM | IP: Logged
He lasts less than an hour. He would tell Cordova where to shove it among other things and be canned. Take that to the bank.
Posted on 3/28 11:29 PM | IP: Logged
So do you believe that Purdue's cards are all on the table at this point? Is it simply how Missouri presents the offer? Or will Burke have the opportunity to make things right?
Posted on 3/28 11:44 PM | IP: Logged
Painter stays and gets what he wants we may move to the next level. If he goes, the perception that we are not committed to winning will linger for a long time. Hope for the best! If we don't get it our BB program may be on par with our FB program for a while.
Posted on 3/28 11:48 PM | IP: Logged
Buddy Baker, Painter's agent, is a Purdue guy. He was a student assistant during the Keady era. He represents a number of Purdue athletes in the pros. He is ultimately doing what is good for Painter but part of that is assessing what Painter's market value is. I completely expect that Purdue will put together a package that will keep Painter as long as Missouri doesn't do something crazy. The numbers thrown around so far aren't far off what Purdue is already prepared to pay if all the bonuses were realized. Purdue will likely tie him up for 7-10 years with a large buy out if they reach over 2 million a year guaranteed.
If things don't work out, I think Purdue will land either an established coach with Purdue ties or an young coach with potential and a track record. With the facilities improvement and the foundation Painter has built, things are much better now than when we hired Painter.
Let the process play out and wait to see what happens before all the KHs throw Morgan, Matt, Cordova, Hope, the current and former players and the cheerleaders under the bus.
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